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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:17 am 
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J.Ph. Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, from the second book of harpsichord pieces (1724)

Dear All,
Please find a series of harpsichord pieces that I have recorded recently, though I have played them for a long time. They form the first half of the second book of Rameau's solo harpsichord music. After an introductory "Menuet en rondeau" (in C), the nine present pieces are all in E, either major or minor, and are sometimes considered as a suite, although they do not appear like this in the edition. But they are nice to play or (hopefully !) to listen as such.

The menuet is sometimes used in piano beginners method; yes it is easy to play, but yet it is beautiful music, I think. In the following pieces, I'd like to emphasize the "Rappel des oiseaux", which is so descriptive of a dialog between birds, an idea used by more recent composers like Liszt or, of course, Messiaen. I have also a particular love for the second "Musette en rondeau": here we realize that those Baroque musicians, who lived close to kings and courts, were also fed with folk music. Actually this music evokes not only Versailles, but the whole French society of this early XVIIIth century, a time of special happiness in our history, when the people could breath and have good time after the last decades of Louis XIV' heavy reign...

A last remark: this music sounds very well on the modern piano, too, unlike most Couperin which is essentially harpsichordistic (if this word exists in English...).

Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 1. "Menuet"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 2. "Allemande"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 3. "Courante"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 4. "Gigue 1"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 5. "Gigue 2"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 6. "Rappel des oiseaux
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 7. "Rigaudon"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 8. "Musette"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 9. "Tambourin"
Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E, 10. "La Villageoise"

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 Post subject: Re: J.Ph. Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:58 pm 
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You are a sadistic harpsichordist. :P :lol:

Hi Francois,
I'm just teasing... :)
Can you please tell me what title I should use for this set? What is the book actually called, that sort of thing so I can make a new category for it. Unless you just want it to go under Rameau "miscellaneous"? Also, I am not complaining, but 10 recordings at once will take me a long time to process and I have very limited free-time these days. So just to let you know, it may take me the whole weekend to get all these done.

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 Post subject: Re: J.Ph. Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E
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Monica, In my book it is Suite (1724). Suite in E (1724) maybe?

Francois, vous êtes un grand artiste! I Love your playing and the quality of these recordings themselves in nothing less than fabulous. Your instrument has a beautiful sound to it (I only heard one change of stops) and you evidently keep it perfectly tuned (for recording purposes anyway). Thank you for bringing this music into my life. You may remember that I am preparing Rameau's Gavotte et Doubles, and you're making me very nervous! This is lovely playing. Yes you had a very rare slip or two but who cares. You ornamentation is contextual and very well executed! I have one question, how/why the triplets in the Rigaudon?

Your grateful auditor,
Eddy

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Okay, I'll go with "Suite in E". Sorry, Francois, I did not read the title that you had already supplied... :oops:

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A last remark: this music sounds very well on the modern piano, too, unlike most Couperin which is essentially harpsichordistic (if this word exists in English...).

Hi Francoise, a great job again with harpsichord music! It's always a special pleasure to me to listen to your playing on your harpsichord :D Your last remark raised a question: What kind of properties in a piece which is originally for harpsichord composed (cause it's from the old time) does make it sounding good on a modern piano as well, do you think? I cannot easily imagine that this suit will work also on it well (oh my lack of imaginary!!!).

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Hello François,

This is fun! I like especially the birds. This "suite" will be a good addition to the site.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:32 pm 
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Okay, Francois, these are up. I checked all the links, but please do so yourself in case I missed something.

As far as your playing goes, I've nothing but praise, as I expected. :) I like the guitar sound in the no. 3. And I don't know how you did it, but I like how you got an octave higher to sound in the RH of the no. 5 - near the beginning when the main theme repeats. That's neat. And no. 9 - I know this one and don't know why but I've always loved it. So catchy, and now it's stuck in my head.


Regarding birds in music - don't forget about Granados and his beloved nightingales! :)

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 Post subject: Re: J.Ph. Rameau - Menuet and Suite in E
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pianolady wrote:
:shock:
You are a sadistic harpsichordist. :P :lol:


Hi Monica,
Does 'sadistic' refers to 'sad' in English or to 'Marquis de Sade' in French? :wink:

pianolady wrote:
Hi Francois,
I'm just teasing... :)
Can you please tell me what title I should use for this set? What is the book actually called, that sort of thing so I can make a new category for it. Unless you just want it to go under Rameau "miscellaneous"? Also, I am not complaining, but 10 recordings at once will take me a long time to process and I have very limited free-time these days. So just to let you know, it may take me the whole weekend to get all these done.


Regarding the work load for you: yes, I'm a very bad boy to submit such a bunch of short pieces in one shot, so I am worth punishing making me wait for some days or weeks :oops: ...
As for classification, if I refer to my Durand edition of Rameau's integral solo harpsichord music, the pieces appear as follows:

- 'Premier livre de pièces de clavecin (1706)'.

- 'Pièces de clavecin (1724)'
The present series forms the beginning of this book. Also, 'Les Niais de Sologne', recorded by Sandro Bisotti, pertains to this group;

- 'Nouvelles suites de pièces de clavecin ou second livre' (no publication date). In this one you find 'L'Egyptienne' (another tune of which a recording is available at PS)

- one isolated piece called "La Dauphine"

- 'Cinq pièces extraites des pièces en concert'
(which are yet on the site).

Therefore I guess it coud be nice to set on the Rameau page 'Pièces de clavecin (1724)', 'Nouvelles suites de pièces de clavecin ou second livre' and 'Cinq pièces extraites des pièces en concert', and to put links from these groups to the lists of individual pieces.

When you have time, Monica... Regards,

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