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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:17 pm 
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musicusblau wrote:
After having read all the really funny jokes about the non-Bach-liking forum-members and dogs in the background of recordings, I seem to be the typical PS-member: I´m an only-Beethoven-lover (that must have been the reason, why I have recorded the complete WTC I) and I hate dogs in the background of recordings (that´s why I have two cats)! :lol:
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:lol: Funny, Andreas! And now that you said that, we will be seeing a 'complete Beethoven sonata' list from you too, right? :P

One more thing - whatever you do, don't get a bird! I think we have a couple recordings with birds in the background. Of course, nothing you can do about the ones outside, or the chipmunks either, for that matter. Those little critters are cute but they're even louder than birds. I'm always at war with them because they sit right outside my window where I record and chirp/squeak very loudly. Obviously they are purposely trying to wreck my recordings! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:22 am 
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That´s the easiest exercise you can do with "Audacity", you just have to be audacious enough to mark the passage you want to cut off, then just delete it with the delelte-button on your computer. :wink: (Not so easy is f.ex. replacing a passage with a mistake by a right passage from another take, but also this can be learned, it just needs a bit experience to get it well.)


Taking out the before and after should be an easy exercise to start learning editing. I have an adult piano student who may be able to help me with the splicing. Not being able to do this was frustrating with the Bach 1st and 3rd movements.

As to the Beethoven, I just started reviewing the Les Adieux Sonata. I noticed that only the 2nd movement was recorded by the society. This should keep me pretty busy for a while. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:57 am 
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As to the Beethoven, I just started reviewing the Les Adieux Sonata. I noticed that only the 2nd movement was recorded by the society. This should keep me pretty busy for a while. :)

Oh, I nearly started to learn that sonata, too! But since I have never played it before and the pieces on the top of my list (Lyadov, Mozart and Scriabin) have the priority, I believe that you will be the first one who recorded the whole sonata for PS, unless someone beats you with a live recording of all the three movements (I belong to those who prefers a complete recording set :wink:, too).
BTW I recently bought me the second volume of Beethoven sonatas of Henle (hard cover) just for 25 Euro! It's a bargain, isn't it? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
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:lol: Funny, Andreas! And now that you said that, we will be seeing a 'complete Beethoven sonata' list from you too, right? :P


If I may continue with it in my next life, I don´t mind. :wink:

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One more thing - whatever you do, don't get a bird!


Right, I really don´t want to have a bird. (German: einen Vogel haben, english: to have a bird is colloquial and means to have bats in the belfry.) :lol: I know some musicians, who had a bird (I mean a real one), they both were teachers, one had a Beo and the other a parrot. I probably wouldn´t feel too happy with that, because I´m also a non-bird-noise-recording-lover (and I´m also an audacious-new-compounds-lover; I hope, I don´t hurt all rules of English grammar here)!

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I think we have a couple recordings with birds in the background. Of course, nothing you can do about the ones outside, or the chipmunks either, for that matter. Those little critters are cute but they're even louder than birds. I'm always at war with them because they sit right outside my window where I record and chirp/squeak very loudly. Obviously they are purposely trying to wreck my recordings!


So, you should only record Messiaen in future for to have the ideal background for his music, at least because of the birds (I don´t think, he has also eternalised chipmunks in his compositions). :lol:

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BTW I recently bought me the second volume of Beethoven sonatas of Henle (hard cover) just for 25 Euro! It's a bargain, isn't it? :D


My Henle book of Beethovens sonatas, book II, is over 30 years old, it cost 22 DM then. That´s a bargain from view of today! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:00 pm 
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musicusblau wrote:

If I may continue with it in my next life, I don´t mind. :wink:


Ok. :)

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Right, I really don´t want to have a bird. (German: einen Vogel haben, english: to have a bird is colloquial and means to have bats in the belfry.) :lol:

I think I do have a couple bats in my belfry! (but they only come out night. ) :arrow: (sorry, that's a really dumb joke - I'm just very bored today!)

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I probably wouldn´t feel too happy with that, because I´m also a non-bird-noise-recording-lover (and I´m also an audacious-new-compounds-lover; I hope, I don´t hurt all rules of English grammar here)!

Your English is better than my German, so you're good. Not quite sure what you mean by a 'new compounds' though.

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So, you should only record Messiaen in future for to have the ideal background for his music, at least because of the birds (I don´t think, he has also eternalised chipmunks in his compositions).

I've never played nor heard any Messiaen! Did he write nice piano music?


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BTW I recently bought me the second volume of Beethoven sonatas of Henle (hard cover) just for 25 Euro! It's a bargain, isn't it? :D


My Henle book of Beethovens sonatas, book II, is over 30 years old, it cost 22 DM then. That´s a bargain from view of today! :wink:


I bought Dover edition both volumes of the Beethoven sonatas about three or four years ago and paid $16.95 for each book. Not sure how that converts to Euros.

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:44 am 
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Monica wrote:
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Hyenal wrote:
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BTW I recently bought me the second volume of Beethoven sonatas of Henle (hard cover) just for 25 Euro! It's a bargain, isn't it? :D


My Henle book of Beethovens sonatas, book II, is over 30 years old, it cost 22 DM then. That´s a bargain from view of today! :wink:


I bought Dover edition both volumes of the Beethoven sonatas about three or four years ago and paid $16.95 for each book. Not sure how that converts to Euros.

Oh, $16.95 is less than 15 Euro, so you made a very good purchase. But the original price of the Henle hard cover is 50 Euro (the paperback costs 33 Euro; Henle's price is always very high). The exemplar that I bought went through a return, so they reduced the price, even though it's completely new.
Andreas, isnt' 22 DM 11 Euro? Wahnsinn... It became more than four times expensive!


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So, you should only record Messiaen in future for to have the ideal background for his music, at least because of the birds (I don´t think, he has also eternalised chipmunks in his compositions).

I've never played nor heard any Messiaen! Did he write nice piano music?

There is "Catalogue of Birds" among his piano compositions. I don't know his piano music well, but the 20 Views over the Child Jesus (not sure I'm translating it properly) is very beautiful..... I love the set.

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
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hyenal wrote:
Monica wrote:
musicusblau wrote:
Hyenal wrote:
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BTW I recently bought me the second volume of Beethoven sonatas of Henle (hard cover) just for 25 Euro! It's a bargain, isn't it? :D


My Henle book of Beethovens sonatas, book II, is over 30 years old, it cost 22 DM then. That´s a bargain from view of today! :wink:


I bought Dover edition both volumes of the Beethoven sonatas about three or four years ago and paid $16.95 for each book. Not sure how that converts to Euros.


Oh, $16.95 is less than 15 Euro, so you made a very good purchase. But the original price of the Henle hard cover is 50 Euro (the paperback costs 33 Euro; Henle's price is always very high). The exemplar that I bought went through a return, so they reduced the price, even though it's completely new.
Andreas, isnt' 22 DM 11 Euro? Wahnsinn... It became more than four times expensive!


Does your Henle hard-cover book lay open flat? Binding on books is something that I look at if I'm buying a book in an actual store (versus online); they need to be strong, yet flexible too. Those Beethoven Sonata books I purchased have regular binding, but I took one of them to a place where they cut off the binding and replaced it with a spiral spine so that the book lays totally flat and the pages turn more easily. I think it cost me around ten more dollars so that then adds to the total cost of the book. From now on, if I see two books that are fairly equal and one of them has a spiral spine, then I buy that one. However, I'm thinking about what is in my cabinets and shelves and I don't think I have any hard-cover books, so that's why I don't know if they lay open nicely.


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There is "Catalogue of Birds" among his piano compositions. I don't know his piano music well, but the 20 Views over the Child Jesus (not sure I'm translating it properly) is very beautiful..... I love the set.

Hmm....now I'm curious. Maybe I'll see if I can find the music somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
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I've never played nor heard any Messiaen! Did he write nice piano music?


Yes, for example there are his Petites Esquisses d’oiseaux for piano (1986) and his Catalogue d’oiseaux for piano (1956–58), which Hye Jin still has mentioned.

Here is the complete list of his piano works from wikipedia:
Klavier (Solo/zwei Klaviere) [Bearbeiten]
La Dame de Shalott für Klavier (1917), unveröffentlicht
La Tristesse d‘un grand ciel blanc für Klavier (1925), unveröffentlicht
Huit Préludes für Klavier (1928–29), Durand
Piece pour le tombeau de Paul Dukas für Klavier (1935), 5’, La Revue Musicale 166 (1936)
Rondeau für Klavier (1943), 3’, Leduc
Visions de l‘Amen für 2 Klaviere (1943), 48’, Durand.
Vingt regards sur l’enfant-Jésus für Klavier (1944), 125’, Durand
Cantéyodjayâ für Klavier (1949), 12’, Universal Edition
Quatre Etudes de Rythme für Klavier (1949–1950), Durand
Catalogue d’oiseaux für Klavier (1956–58), 165’, Leduc
La Fauvette des jardins für Klavier (1970), 34 1/2’, Leduc
Petites Esquisses d’oiseaux für Klavier (1986), 45’, Leduc

I think, Messiaen, who died only in 1992, is more known for his organ works, but could be interesting to study his piano works, too.

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Your English is better than my German, so you're good. Not quite sure what you mean by a 'new compounds' though.


Right, that must be a logical conclusion! :lol: "Compound" (german: Kompositum) is an expression of grammar and means a word, which consists of two or more words.

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Andreas, isnt' 22 DM 11 Euro? Wahnsinn... It became more than four times expensive!


Yes, 22 DM are 11 Euro. Here you have one of many examples, how much cheaper life in Germany was before the Euro came. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:13 pm 
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well, I just checked out some Messiaen music and now I don't think I will try playing it. Looks too hard and also too 'weird' for my taste. Unless someone says to me, "Monica, you have to look at (insert name of piece here) because it's very beautiful or cool-sounding and not too difficult. Then I'll look again at Messiaen.

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:27 pm 
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Monica wrote:
Does your Henle hard-cover book lay open flat? Binding on books is something that I look at if I'm buying a book in an actual store (versus online); they need to be strong, yet flexible too. Those Beethoven Sonata books I purchased have regular binding, but I took one of them to a place where they cut off the binding and replaced it with a spiral spine so that the book lays totally flat and the pages turn more easily. I think it cost me around ten more dollars so that then adds to the total cost of the book. From now on, if I see two books that are fairly equal and one of them has a spiral spine, then I buy that one. However, I'm thinking about what is in my cabinets and shelves and I don't think I have any hard-cover books, so that's why I don't know if they lay open nicely.

Yes, this hard-cover book lay open alone, even though probably not so flat as a spiral binding book. This is actually my first purchase of a hard-cover score. I made it because this book is 330 pages. I always find a book binding in Germany very reliable (it isn't so in some French books I've seen), but this edition is so thick that I'm afraid the binding gets apart after many years' use, if I buy a soft-cover.
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well, I just checked out some Messiaen music and now I don't think I will try playing it. Looks too hard and also too 'weird' for my taste. Unless someone says to me, "Monica, you have to look at (insert name of piece here) because it's very beautiful or cool-sounding and not too difficult. Then I'll look again at Messiaen.

Monica, also I never thought that I want to play Messiaen. There are still many pieces for our instrument, which look not so hard, but sound good :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Bach Italian Concerto
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hyenal wrote:
Monica, also I never thought that I want to play Messiaen. There are still many pieces for our instrument, which look not so hard, but sound good :wink:


Ok...well...I look forward and will wait to hear some Messiaen played by you before I pass any final judgment. So now get off the computer and go practice, Hye-Jin! :lol: :lol:

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well, I just checked out some Messiaen music and now I don't think I will try playing it. Looks too hard and also too 'weird' for my taste. Unless someone says to me, "Monica, you have to look at (insert name of piece here) because it's very beautiful or cool-sounding and not too difficult. Then I'll look again at Messiaen.

Though I'm a supporter of modern music, I also don't feel attracted too much by Messiaen. But coolsounding it is in every case!

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