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I don't like yams, either. But at least they're better than spinach!

Anyway - I just finished watching all videos. You did a nice job - I'm very impressed. And yes -I also learned a lot about Alkan. I hope you got a good grade! Just wondering - did he ever marry?

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:? you don't like spinach??? spinach is awesome!! Mustard greens, otoh, eeewwwww! :P

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I didn't realize there are several videos in the complete set, but I watched the first one just now and really did enjoy it ... Very interesting the comparisons between Alkan's and Chopin's Prelude/Etude!

I concur, the comparisons were cool. I'm not surprised some of his music might have been inspired by Chopin... Chopin inspires anyone whose ears hear his compositions. Watching the second and third videos now, I enjoy the time spent on just listening to the music. It provides a nice contrast from learning to actually hearing what's being talked about. And being somewhat new to the forums I didn't know much about Alkan, so thanks for posting!


Thanks I'm really glad you liked it! :)


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pianolady wrote:
I don't like yams, either. But at least they're better than spinach!

Anyway - I just finished watching all videos. You did a nice job - I'm very impressed. And yes -I also learned a lot about Alkan. I hope you got a good grade! Just wondering - did he ever marry?


As far as I know, no. I can't remember if I mentioned in the video that he had a son, I had to cut it a bit shorter as it was getting too long, but it is generally accepted that he had a son, √Člie-Miriam Delaborde, who was probably the product of something between Alkan and one of his pupils who he taught. Delaborde played alot of his father's music and even edited some of it.


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nathanscoleman wrote:
:? you don't like spinach??? spinach is awesome!! Mustard greens, otoh, eeewwwww! :P


mustard greens, dandelion greens, spinach, same thing....yuck!

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As far as I know, no. I can't remember if I mentioned in the video that he had a son, I had to cut it a bit shorter as it was getting too long, but it is generally accepted that he had a son, √Člie-Miriam Delaborde, who was probably the product of something between Alkan and one of his pupils who he taught. Delaborde played alot of his father's music and even edited some of it.


ok, thanks for the information. :)

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But Alkan never did marry. Alkan treated Delaborde very well, but it was a touchy topic for him, as he was very much afraid of scandal. Very self conscious individual.


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Hello again, sweet potatoe. :lol: (hope you get that)


I see no deep meaning so perhaps I don't get it :P


No deep meaning :lol: I live near Chicago, Illinois and around here yams are also called sweet potatoes!



How did we get from Alkan to Thanksgiving side-dishes (at least in the U.S.). :lol: I guess that "Alkan" could be a brand name -- "I'll have some Alkan Candied Yams."

Actually, what we call "Yams" in the U.S. are not yams but orange sweet potatoes. Yam was a marketing gimmik in the long past to separate them from the whiter sweet potato. A true yam is, I believe, similar to the taro root.

Now for a message from our sponsor -- Alkan yams ....


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RSPIll wrote:

Actually, what we call "Yams" in the U.S. are not yams but orange sweet potatoes. Yam was a marketing gimmik in the long past to separate them from the whiter sweet potato. A true yam is, I believe, similar to the taro root.


Ah, perhaps that's why I don't find them sweet at all, while you guys do :)


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I suspected that a yam was a little different from a sweet potatoe, but I didn't realize by how much! I just looked it up here:

http://homecooking.about.com/od/howtoco ... todiff.htm

Since I don't like sweet potatoes, I never cared about learning about them or about yams for that matter. Not sure I would like a 'real' yam or not.

@RSPIll - I see you also live in Illinois. Wonder if we know each other! And btw - I fixed your quotes.

( I can't think of any clever way to bring this back onto topic...)

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pianolady wrote:
( I can't think of any clever way to bring this back onto topic...)


We could always talk about Liszt! :D

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nathanscoleman wrote:
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( I can't think of any clever way to bring this back onto topic...)


We could always talk about Liszt! :D


Yeah - he knew Alkan. Also, Chopin - we hardly ever talk about him! :wink: :lol:

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Indeed! How about a dicussion on how those 3 influenced each other? Or some other composers like Ravina who actually directly copied Alkan.


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yam wrote:
Indeed! How about a dicussion on how those 3 influenced each other? Or some other composers like Ravina who actually directly copied Alkan.


I don't know of Ravina, but did Alkan know about this? And you gave some nice examples in your videos of how Liszt 'borrowed' bits of Alkan's music, and Alkan 'borrowed' bits of Chopin's music. Don't you wish you could have been in the room with them to hear what each of these men said when they learned about these things? I wonder if they felt angry or if they were flattered? You know the saying, "imitation is the best form of flattery" or something like that...

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Ravina is mentioned in my video. He directly copied the opening bars of the piano solo in Alkan's Concerto da camera No.1 in one of his etudes.

Hmm I myself would be flattered, but it would also perhaps influence how I thought of the others as composers, or perhaps even annoyed if i thought someone had stolen my ideas and composed a better piece.

Something I found after I made the video is the obvious similarities between Chopin's Butterfly Etude and Alkan's Etude Op.35 No. 12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFWVXrDD ... 7&index=11

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i27_BGnB1M0


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Hmm I myself would be flattered, but it would also perhaps influence how I thought of the others as composers, or perhaps even annoyed if i thought someone had stolen my ideas and composed a better piece.

Yes, that would be hard to take.

And you're right about the Butterfly Etude and Alkan's Etude sounding alike. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there are more examples of Alkan using some of Chopin's music, because Chopin bequeathed his unfinished Method of teaching theory to Alkan. Not sure if this book contained music, or just text about theory, though.

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pianolady wrote:
I suspected that a yam was a little different from a sweet potatoe, but I didn't realize by how much! I just looked it up here:

http://homecooking.about.com/od/howtoco ... todiff.htm

Since I don't like sweet potatoes, I never cared about learning about them or about yams for that matter. Not sure I would like a 'real' yam or not.

@RSPIll - I see you also live in Illinois. Wonder if we know each other! And btw - I fixed your quotes.

( I can't think of any clever way to bring this back onto topic...)


Thanx for fixing the quotes. Broken quotes seem to go with age.

If you take Halsted Street south and continue through corn field after corn field until you're sick of looking at corn fields, you would find where I live -- the Sweet Corn Capital of the World.

Actually, we probably haven't met. I left IL in 1975 and returned to the mid-west in 2002, living in Indianapolis until just recently. I haven't been to Chi-town in years.

Now back to the topic at hand .... :wink:


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well, we had it back on topic for a little while, anyway. :) Maybe yam will come back and get us back on track. In the meantime, I actually live in the western suburbs and I suppose you are right in that our paths have never crossed. I've never been to Hoopeston.

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hmm I went away for a few days and then forgot about it, so maybe I can put you back on topic now :lol:

I've started learning the Grande Sonate 20 ans, it seems impossible to play up to speed. Do you think this is worth my work or if there is another piece that would be more enjoyed by others? (I really want to play Alkan though)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZFAhgfc1Fc


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Have you looked at Alkan's A major etude (first set)? I think it's pretty manageable.

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Yeah I've heard it, I love the sonate so much more though. I'm prepared to take it on. My favourite from the first set is number four though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4cJh9Ki ... PL&index=3


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Yes, that's a great one too. I like that one. It is a fingertwister, though... but what Alkan isn't? :wink:

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Barcarolle from Op 65 :D It's quite easily sight-read in fact, a nice change :P


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Also the little one that I recorded - the Esquisses Op.63, no. 46 "Le premier billet doux".

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