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Do you have any recording device, yet? It's a great motivational tool, so to speak. Ever since I started recording myself, not only do I practice much more, but I also listen much better, too.

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No, unfortunately, I don't...and I am even more strapped for cash now than I was before, due to going back to school. :( I have a friend that is willing to record me, but I have to find a church or something where I could do it, because my own piano is digital and my mom's baby grand is in not so good shape since Katrina. :( I could ask my friend to go up to my school (1.5 hours away) and he probably would, but I feel bad about asking him to do such things.

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Right now, I'm trying to record two Chopin etudes.

They're close.

Here's one. (not ready for the site)

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The 10/9 is one of my favorites. :) Unfortunately, I have more difficulty with that one than a lot of them that would probably generally be considered more difficult. In other words, I have more difficulty with that one than 10/3, 10/4, 10/12, 25/1, 25/11, and 25/12. Is it just me?

Anyway, it sounds like it's coming along good, Pete. Which other one are you working on?

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Oh, I forgot about this one, but I love it too. The sound, the way it takes you on a dreamy, swirling adventure - well - it's soooo good. Think I'll put this one on my list. Thanks Pete!

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Terez wrote:
The 10/9 is one of my favorites. :) Unfortunately, I have more difficulty with that one than a lot of them that would probably generally be considered more difficult. In other words, I have more difficulty with that one than 10/3, 10/4, 10/12, 25/1, 25/11, and 25/12. Is it just me?

Anyway, it sounds like it's coming along good, Pete. Which other one are you working on?


Yes, the LH is a pain in the you-know-what. I have the notes memorized, I just need to practice playing it. It's quite different to have something learned 'in theory' versus putting that theoretical knowledge into physical action.

The other is the 10/2, the "chromatic madness" etude. That one makes the 10/1 look like opus 28/4.
It's 'memorized' (in theory). I haven't got the fingers to play it right now; practice will fix that post haste.

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Terez wrote:
The 10/9 is one of my favorites. :) Unfortunately, I have more difficulty with that one than a lot of them that would probably generally be considered more difficult. In other words, I have more difficulty with that one than 10/3, 10/4, 10/12, 25/1, 25/11, and 25/12. Is it just me?

Anyway, it sounds like it's coming along good, Pete. Which other one are you working on?


Yes, the LH is a pain in the you-know-what. I have the notes memorized, I just need to practice playing it. It's quite different to have something learned 'in theory' versus putting that theoretical knowledge into physical action.

The other is the 10/2, the "chromatic madness" etude. That one makes the 10/1 look like opus 28/4.
It's 'memorized' (in theory). I haven't got the fingers to play it right now; practice will fix that post haste. It's pretty close, too.

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Aww, I was enjoying listening to your 10/2, and it cut off! :(

The 10/2 is one of my favorites, too, and I find it easier than the 10/1. Perhaps that is because I have worked on the 25/6, but I also found the 25/6 to be easier than the 10/1.

In my opinion, though, the hardest etude is the 25/4. The jumping in the left hand makes the 10/9 left-hand jumping look mild.

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Terez wrote:
Aww, I was enjoying listening to your 10/2, and it cut off! :(

The 10/2 is one of my favorites, too, and I find it easier than the 10/1. Perhaps that is because I have worked on the 25/6, but I also found the 25/6 to be easier than the 10/1.

In my opinion, though, the hardest etude is the 25/4. The jumping in the left hand makes the 10/9 left-hand jumping look mild.


Yeah, I cut it off because that's where I screw up! :lol: Bars 25-34 are insecure at this point. This etude is really giving me problems. I can play it slowly and not miss a single note but I want to play it at 144. I may split the difference and aim for 126+-

You know, it goes to show how different pianists encounter differing problems, depending on individual quirks. I find the jumps in the 25-4 not particularly hard to execute, but the 543 oriented fingering of the 10-2 extremely difficult.

A note about the 10-9: I play the LH legato, with the fingering pattern 5-3-1-4-1-3. I can't do the pattern 5-4-1-4-1-4.

Okay, here's something else I'm working on. This is the first time I've recorded myself playing this.


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Well, it certainly is Beethoven Week!
Pete, I have never heard this before, but it sounded really good. Like ready-for-the-audition-room, good. I forgot - do you record with an Edirol recorder?

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A note about the 10-9: I play the LH legato, with the fingering pattern 5-3-1-4-1-3. I can't do the pattern 5-4-1-4-1-4.

My piano teacher in high school had really small hands, and she played it 5-5-1-5-1-1, which might explain why I compared it to the 25/4. I've never seriously worked on the 10/9, but my hands aren't very big either so I don't know if I could do it the way it is indicated, or even your version.

Just out of curiosity, can you play a (white key) 10th easily, or is it uncomfortable for you?

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Okay, here's something else I'm working on. This is the first time I've recorded myself playing this.

You turn pages really loud! :)

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pianolady wrote:
Well, it certainly is Beethoven Week!
Pete, I have never heard this before, but it sounded really good. Like ready-for-the-audition-room, good. I forgot - do you record with an Edirol recorder?


Thanks, it's an awful lot of fun to play, despite its difficulty. It still has its inaccuracies so I can't submit it yet (for some reason I flub the descending f major scale?!?!). But I think with not too much practice I can get it into really good shape. I'm also working on the other two movements of the sonata, I can post those a little later. The recorder is an Edirol R-09.
I can't believe you've never heard this one! It's Beethoven's sixth sonata in F major; the opus no. escapes me at the moment.

I haven't forgotten about the Moonlight Sonata in its entirety, that one's coming soon, too.

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A note about the 10-9: I play the LH legato, with the fingering pattern 5-3-1-4-1-3. I can't do the pattern 5-4-1-4-1-4.

My piano teacher in high school had really small hands, and she played it 5-5-1-5-1-1, which might explain why I compared it to the 25/4. I've never seriously worked on the 10/9, but my hands aren't very big either so I don't know if I could do it the way it is indicated, or even your version.

Just out of curiosity, can you play a (white key) 10th easily, or is it uncomfortable for you?

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Okay, here's something else I'm working on. This is the first time I've recorded myself playing this.

You turn pages really loud! :)



I can play an augmented 11th with my LH and a perfect 11th with my RH.. A 10th is very comfortable. Actually, I wish my hands were a little smaller, just a little.

Here's a scan of my left hand. This frame is 8.5" from left to right.


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Wow. That's a big hand! I have trouble playing 10ths. I think the only reason I can play 10ths is because my pinky fingers curve inward a little - it's hard to explain how that helps, but it does.

Can you imagine me trying to play the 10/9 with the proper fingering? Perhaps I really could do it if I worked on the stretching for a long time, but it seems impossible to me.

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I can't believe you've never heard this one!


I know, I'm not worthy.

That hand picture is neat. Did you use a regular scanner? Why don't you scan your face too so we can finally see you. :lol:

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I know, I'm not worthy.

That hand picture is neat. Did you use a regular scanner? Why don't you scan your face too so we can finally see you. :lol:


Oh, you are too, worthy! :lol:

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Wow. That's a big hand! I have trouble playing 10ths. I think the only reason I can play 10ths is because my pinky fingers curve inward a little - it's hard to explain how that helps, but it does.

Can you imagine me trying to play the 10/9 with the proper fingering? Perhaps I really could do it if I worked on the stretching for a long time, but it seems impossible to me.


Small hands are not a detriment, by any means. Sometimes, quite the opposite! Within reason, there really isn't a proper fingering; it depends heavily on the individual and the piano. Don't try to stretch beyond your physiology , it's easy to injure yourself doing that.

Here's a score of the Beethoven sonata from the aforementioned recording.
http://imslp.ca/images/imslp.ca/b/b4/Be ... ata_06.pdf

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Rachmaninov Etude Op. 39,6 (done in a few hours practice)
Horowitz/Bizet: Carmen variations. Just practising the parts I can pick up with my ear, will receieve the scores some time next week.
And I hope to be done with Jeux D'eau before christmas.

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Rachmaninov Etude Op. 39,6 (done in a few hours practice)
Horowitz/Bizet: Carmen variations. Just practising the parts I can pick up with my ear, will receieve the scores some time next week.
And I hope to be done with Jeux D'eau before christmas.


Cool, you should make a recording. :D


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:idea: :idea: :idea:

I just had a GREAT idea!

As I said before, I was waffling on my "contemporary" piece for this semester. And of course I'm going to cheat and go with something tonal like Rachmaninoff, because I'm rather fond of functional harmony. Anyway...I was considering Rachmaninoff preludes, but then Bohumir kindly reminded me of the Elegy in E-flat minor, which I already love! I can't believe I had forgotten about it so quickly, because my mom had suggested it to me for my scholarship audition in May, but I ended up going with the Debussy Doctor Gradus because I only had 2-3 weeks to work up a repertoire. I just found the Debussy to be much easier to execute musically than the Rachmaninoff Elegy.

So, now I am very happy with my fall repertoire:

Bach Partita in E Minor (I'll do 3-5 movements of this for the fall)
Chopin Etude 25/12 in C Minor
Rachmaninoff Elegy in E-flat Minor, 3/1

weeeeeeeee

...is it bad to play all minor key stuff? :?

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I'm glad you are happy with your decision. Now if we can only get to you down on tape (or whatever they call that in digital terms)


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it depends on whether Venus is a 'morning' star or an 'evening' star (planet). But the Perseids meteor shower is getting ready for showtime, so that means no - it isn't bad. :wink:

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Huh... early Rachmaninov as "contemporary" piece ? That is stretching the limit a bit... I'll be surprised if that will be accepted by the powers that be. It's gorgeous piece but it does nothing for one's appreciation of more contemporary music.

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Huh... early Rachmaninov as "contemporary" piece ? That is stretching the limit a bit... I'll be surprised if that will be accepted by the powers that be. It's gorgeous piece but it does nothing for one's appreciation of more contemporary music.

I agree of course, which is why I fully admit it's cheating. That's the problem with Chopin (yes, there are a few of those...lol) - he disqualifies everything from late Classical period music to late Romantic/early contemporary music, which happens to include a lot of my favorite music! I have come to appreciate contemporary harmony, but I've learned that appreciation from exposure to jazz of the mid-20th century and onward. It's heavily improvisational, anyway - the figured bass of the 17th century becomes the jazz chart of the 20th, contemporary harmony has been added to the mix, but functional harmony is equally prevalent - and I currently don't have near enough command of my instrument to do that genre justice. I'm just a listener. :D

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I'm glad you are happy with your decision. Now if we can only get to you down on tape (or whatever they call that in digital terms)

I am hoping that there will be some school equipment to utilize. :wink: But I'm scared, too! I shouldn't be, either...Chopin's Op. 45 prelude is not really a scary place to start. :lol:

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To further clarify my repertoire requirements - I only have to play 3 "contrasting" pieces. So, it's not required that my pieces be from any particular period. My teacher is the one that suggested I play some Rachmaninoff for my after-Chopin "contrasting" piece, so I'm assuming that he is okay. The prelude she suggested isn't quite as early Rachmaninoff as the Elegy, but I can't imagine it would make too much difference.

Although I think Rachmaninoff's style, especially with this Elegy, is not exactly "contrasting" to Chopin, Rachmaninoff was apparently enough years after Chopin (if barely) to qualify as "contrasting", while Beethoven and Schubert are not enough years before (playing a Chopin piece disqualifies them for my repertoire).

This is by the opinion of my current teacher, though - the teacher I had before allowed me to play Chopin and Beethoven in the same semester.

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Terez wrote:
Although I think Rachmaninoff's style, especially with this Elegy, is not exactly "contrasting" to Chopin, Rachmaninoff was apparently enough years after Chopin (if barely) to qualify as "contrasting", while Beethoven and Schubert are not enough years before (playing a Chopin piece disqualifies them for my repertoire).

Hmm, I think Beethoven and Schubert are quite a contrast to Chopin (especially Beethoven is), much more than Rachmaninov. And this elegy is one of the pieces where Rachmaninov comes the closest to Chopin. :?

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Hmm, I think Beethoven and Schubert are quite a contrast to Chopin (especially Beethoven is), much more than Rachmaninov.

Well, I think that some later Beethoven and Schubert is very close to Chopin in style, but the early Beethoven especially is contrasting to Chopin. Problem is, I'm more fond of late Beethoven. :lol: Schubert, I'm not really so familiar with his piano music as I am with his song cycles, though I know his impromptus.

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And this elegy is one of the pieces where Rachmaninov comes the closest to Chopin. :?

I agree of course, but the Rachmaninoff prelude my teacher suggested was the Op. 23 No. 4 in D Major (she knew I would also choose something by Chopin), and I don't think that one is really any less similar to Chopin than the elegy. If I were playing a Chopin nocturne, I don't think I would also play the elegy, but I'm playing the 25/12 etude, which is a bit more contrasting to the elegy than a nocturne would be. :)

The main problem here is my own ignorance of piano repertoire - I have to like the stuff I'm playing, obviously, and I'm just not familiar with enough piano music to have a great deal to choose from. I'm reluctant to take others' suggestions on what I will like, too, and it usually takes repeated listening for me to warm up to a piece.

Anyway, that ignorance is something that I hope to lessen a bit through piano society (there is all sorts of music I don't know that is posted here), and I'm also taking a keyboard lit class this semester, with listening and reading assignments.

But for now, I can take advantage of the subjectiveness of "contrast" (it's totally dependent on my teacher's opinion).

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I actually completin the first of Chopin Ballads ( in g minor ) and fourth Prelude from op. 23 by Master Rachmaninov. Preparing for some Janacek pieces and want to study Bach - maybe Partita no. 6.

Anyways, want to get into the jazz harmony, coquette with latin jazz.


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Chopin 24 preludes opus 28. The chopin etudes lay in wait.

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I'm working on Brahms' rhapsody in G-minor, Debussy's Passepied from "Suite Bargamasque", a Novelle by Kabalevsky, an Etüde by Sibelius and Mozart's "Sonata facile" in c-major ;)


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My over-ambitious heart is gonna kill me ... I'm working on the Liszt etudes and his Hungarian Rhapsodies. *sigh* 17 years from now when I've mastered them, they'll eventually be posted here!

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My over-ambitious heart is gonna kill me ... I'm working on the Liszt etudes and his Hungarian Rhapsodies. *sigh* 17 years from now when I've mastered them, they'll eventually be posted here!


One at a time, now! :lol:


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I'm working right now on:
Chopin's Ballade no.2 (hard. Very hard for me :) )
Rachmaninov Prelude op.23-4
Rachmaninov Prelude op.23-5 (I want to record it soon)
An relatively easy Sibelius Etude (will record it soon)

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Well,I am now working on quite a few things:

-Hindemith sonata for Tuba and piano for a concert in November
-reviewing the program from my first recital for DMA auditions
-working on pieces by Michael Daugherty,William Bolcom, Carter Pann and others for my 2nd recital in march
-learning Schumann Piano Concerto for performance in November 2008

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-Hindemith sonata for Tuba and piano for a concert in November


Any Hindemith sonata is a bitch. 'Scuse my language. :lol: But it's true! I'm familiar with the trumpet and trombone ones. They're not "accompaniment" in the strict sense - they're really double sonatas.

Good luck to you. ;)

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On the music stand now are:

- Medtner's Fairy Tales op 26 no 1 and op 51 no 3 - both delightful pieces that I might actually be able to play some time soon
- Dvorak's D minor impromptu B129 - the middle section is something really special
- Beethoven Op 101 - been trying to play this for the best part of 40 years. Maybe this time ...


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-Chopin's Ballade Opus 23. So beautiful, yet so hard!
-Chopin's Waltz "Minute". Used to know how to play this one, but I kind of neglected this masterpiece.
-At the moment I'm also polishing the Heroic Polonaise Opus 53. I'll record it once I manage to play it flawlessly.


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-Chopin's Ballade Opus 23. So beautiful, yet so hard!
-Chopin's Waltz "Minute". Used to know how to play this one, but I kind of neglected this masterpiece.
-At the moment I'm also polishing the Heroic Polonaise Opus 53. I'll record it once I manage to play it flawlessly.

Chopin lover? :lol:

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-Chopin's Ballade Opus 23. So beautiful, yet so hard!
-Chopin's Waltz "Minute". Used to know how to play this one, but I kind of neglected this masterpiece.
-At the moment I'm also polishing the Heroic Polonaise Opus 53. I'll record it once I manage to play it flawlessly.

Chopin lover? :lol:


I'm Polish! All I ever listen to, and all I ever play is Chopin! :wink:


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Pole-made-Dutchie, huh? :lol: I'm not far removed from being a Chopin exclusivist. I've been obsessed with him for a good many years. I know all Chopin (not by any means to say that I play all Chopin), but very little else.

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- Liszt's "Benediction de Dieu dans la solitude". First the RH seizes up. Then the LH. Then the RH again. All this in one piece!

- Beethoven Op 26. Well, gave the Op 101 a run. Try one of the easier ones this time.

- Tschaikowsky Op 39. Bought in an Oxfam shop for 60p. Cheap at half the price, and even better value than IMSLP. May UE's entire stock be infested by booklice!


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Right now I'm not working on a whole lot:

Chopin Etude 10/7
Scarlatti Sonata in A Major (I'm blanking on which one it is! AHH how embarrassing :oops: well.... it's the one horowitz made famous?)
Prokofiev's 3rd piano concerto

I'm sort of working on La Campanella on and off, so as to play it at a couple competitions 2 years from now when I'm a senior, and maybe for college auditions too.

Also, I'll be going back to the Chopin scherzo and Prokofiev sonata movement that I have recordings of on here soon, as I'll be playing them with the scarlatti at a recital in december, and then in competitions in January, February, (probably/if I win in January) March, and April...

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I've been polishing these pieces and I hope to have the 'audition room' quality versions soon! :D

Still, I appreciate any and all comments.

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Wow, Pete. Those were good! I nicknamed the first one "the Moth Prelude", because it reminds me of a moth flying around by the patio lights. I worked this same prelude up recently but my 'moth' wasn't quite going right. Your moth is. :lol:

The other prelude is good to go, also.

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Thanks for listening! I like the moth analogy, if only I could get all the notes AND bring out the mothiness. Then it would be right. Another day...

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i am trying to learn Robert Schumann's Carnaval
but only 2nd (Pierrot), 3rd (Arlequin) and 4th (Valse noble), maybe i will add some soon, but who has time :)
and also Beethovens Sonata No.5


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PJF wrote:
I've been polishing these pieces and I hope to have the 'audition room' quality versions soon! :D

These are certainly 'Audition Room Quality' already - whatever that is... But it would be the day that I would not find anything to nag about :D

The no.10 is very good but a bit too casual, not all the notes come out with crystalline clarity as I think they should.

In the no.22 (always one of my favourites as it is very effective and not too difficult) you get carried away a bit, slipping more than you need to. Rge RH does not get heard properly above the LH tumult. This would probably improve with a bit more discipline and a weightier RH attack - I find it also a bit casual.

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Thinking...


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Chopin Nocturne in C sharp Minor opus posth.


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*Bach - inventionen

*Mozart - sonata

*Poulenc - sonata for four hands

*(Rachmaninov - prelude in cis sharp)

*(Bizet - carmen ouverture - arranged for one piano, six hands)

*And a lot of Berens-etudes/Czerny-etudes


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Beethoven Op. 10, 1-3

Brahms, either the Handel Variations or the Original Theme Variations Op. 21, No. 1

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Hi i'm new to this forum.

Anyway this is what i've been working on for my ARCT performance exam next june and other recitals and competitions.

Pieces that I have finished ( used for previous competitions ) and am maintaning for exam/recitals/competitions

J.S Bach: Partita No.2 (Sinfonia)

Haydn Piano Sonata in E flat major Hob.XVI/49;L/59

Beethoven: Sonata in A major Op.2 No.2 (1st and 3rd movement)

Chopin Etude in F major Op.10 No.8

Rachmanininoff: Prelude in g sharp minor Op.32 No.12

Pieces that I am finishing off for exam/recitals/competitions

Beethoven: Sonata in A major Op.2 No.2 (3rd and 4th movement )

Mendelssohn: Rondo Cappriccioso op.14

Prokofiev: Visions Fugatives No.3, 7, 8 and 10

Chopin Etude in c sharp minor Op.10 No.4

Chopin Etude in G flat major Op.10 No.5 “Black Key”

Schumann Piano Concerto in a minor Op.54 ( All movements)

Pieces that I finished off beginning of this year-May and may bring back in the future

Mozart: Sonata in c minor K457

Chopin: Preludes op.28 no.3,11,13,23 (not including this one)

Rachmaninoff: Prelude in G major op.32 no.5


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