Piano Society
Free Classical Keyboard Recordings
It is currently Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:46 am

All times are UTC - 1 hour




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 40 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:47 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:38 pm
Posts: 8519
I forgot all about this topic. Alice M - good tip about deciding in advance what you will do.
And if any one wants to know - I tried that prescription medicine at my last recital. It didn't do a thing. :x My heart was pounding just as hard, my hands shook, and I made a couple mistakes in places I never did before. And I was using music! It was the very lowest doseage, though, so I guess I need something stronger. Not sure I will go that next step, or just try dealing with it naturally. I have about five months to decide.

_________________
"Simplicity is the highest goal, achievable when you have overcome all difficulties." ~ Frederic Chopin

my videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/monicapiano
my personal website: http://www.monicaalianello.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:29 am
Posts: 191
Location: Bloomington, IN
I've been asked to play some Medtner at the Rachmaninoff Society's annual conference. I'm pretty nervous about the whole thing, as I haven't performed in 10 years (at least) and never enjoyed it then either. I think I have to accept that there will be cold hands and shaky arms and missed notes and do it anyway. But boy, just thinking about it makes me nervous.

On the bright side, I'm told Ashkenazy won't be arriving until the following day, so he for sure won't be in the audience. Whew!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:13 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:45 am
Posts: 9581
Location: Netherlands
Wow, that is a great honor indeed ! How did you get to be singled out for that ?
A nerve racking prospect for sure... but exciting :D

_________________
Nothing is always absolutely so -- Sturgeon's law
Chris Breemer


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:06 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:27 pm
Posts: 1842
Location: Sweden
Probably not well known on this forum is that I am the head of an Elite Committee of Golf where I have a lot contact with the players as well (I have a golf career which I ended 15 years ago). As I both play the piano (and have performed live many many times) and golf, I believe that the same method
can be applied in both areas and I have a few simple but helpful tips. But from preparing well, I would give the following advices.

Before the performance
Do not eat or drink anything with much sugar in as chocolate, Coca-Cola, etc. For sure, you do not need this sugar push this day. Instead, try to be stay low all way through your performance. Do not drink too much coffee for the very same reason. Do not eat anything too close to your performance. Your brain need the blood, not your stomach. I would say not closer than 2 hours. Long before your performance, hide away somewhere and prepare. Don't let anything or anyone interrupt your mind. Keep your concentration on what you are about to do. Do not prepare at the piano with the pieces you are about to play. If you still practice this day, you are way after your schedule. Actually, do not play the pieces at all the very same day as the first performance of the day of a piece you know well is often the best.

One week before the performance, try to be as good as you are able to play the pieces you are about to play 3 times in a row without a single mistake. If you succeed, this will make you very comfortable on stage. If you fail on the last key the 3rd time, restart the session.

On Stage
When you are tensed and nervous, you begin to breath faster and worse, with the upper part of your lounges. When doing is, you push your shoulders a bit upwards which at least in golf has a major impact on the technique of the swing but also on your technique on the piano. In extreme fast breathing, hyper ventilation, you can even faint. But there is a simple method to very much reduce this symptom and that is to breath with your stomach. Not really with your stomach of course but it should feel like you do that. Doing slow breathing with your stomach will within 10 seconds reduce your pulse and your shoulders will lower to a normal position. The difficulty is to remember doing this process when you are nervous so I use to tell my players that this is the ONLY thing they need to remember when they get nervous. 10 seconds of this method and you can go back to normal and avoid a mistake. Once you begin to play, you cannot apply this so it must be done before. Any audience can wait 10 seconds before a pianist begins to play.

Just my few cents on the topic and Schmonz, I wish you my best for the performance and would also like to know how you were able to get this incredible chance! Go for it!

_________________
Pianist profile of Robert


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:29 am
Posts: 191
Location: Bloomington, IN
Robert, thanks for the advice! I accepted the invitation and I now have a month and a half to prepare. I need to figure out what to do in order to feel ready; your suggestions are an excellent tee shot.

How did this opportunity come along? It took me by surprise. Earlier in the year, I heard the Rachmaninoff Society was putting on a private performance that included Medtner's G minor sonata. I told the event's organizer why I was joining. Y'all thought I was a big Medtner fan? Her license plate says MEDTNER and the car is a Sonata. We exchanged a few emails about our shared obsession, and that was that.

Well, now the annual conference is coming up, and it's in New York this year, and there's always a recital partly featuring participation from members, and she emailed to say that the program was all Rachmaninov and would I be interested to round it out with some Medtner? I said something to the effect of "That's very nice of you, but how about you hear what I sound like first?", and pointed her here. (Thank you, as always, Piano Society!)

So the short answer is, I inadvertently had the right offhanded conversation with the right Medtner enthusiast several months ago.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:25 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:03 pm
Posts: 2388
Location: Obamanation, unfortunately...
I was watching "From the Top" which showcases young, talented musicians (all under 18). There was a boy who played Liszt's Etude in the theme of Paganini (there is a recording here on the site, played by eric helling). Anyways, he said that he eats two bananas before playing and he heard that the potassium in the bananas help curve nervousness.

So eat bananas! (but not too many because they are a high calorie fruit :x )

_________________
Madam, what makes you think that I play with my hands?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:34 pm
Posts: 1278
Give practice performances. Do a dress rehearsal, actually dress in whatever clothes in which you'll be giving the recital and play the program through once (as though you had an audience). Record your performance; it adds to the realism. If you can't do that at least two weeks in advance, you are in trouble.

The day of the recital, the trick is to not care what anyone thinks of your playing. I hate to say it, but a little bit of arrogance is a useful tool (perhaps I mean self-confidence). (Of course, never wear it on your sleeve, lest you look like an ass.) A pianist on stage must be sure of his/her worthiness. I guess it all comes down to good old-fashioned hard work in the preceding weeks and months. After you've done ALL the work, then you can walk out and hold your head high.

PLAN YOUR PRACTICE!

Good luck to you Schmonz!

PS to Robert, a very good point about pausing before starting the recital. I saw Helene Grimaud take what seemed like a two minute pause before a concert. Personally, I've taken as long as 45 seconds to begin or sometimes I start playing before my backside hits the bench. Always adjust the bench.

Pete


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:05 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:45 am
Posts: 9581
Location: Netherlands
juufa72 wrote:
I was watching "From the Top" which showcases young, talented musicians (all under 18).

Whoa... they get younger and younger don't they :P

_________________
Nothing is always absolutely so -- Sturgeon's law
Chris Breemer


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:23 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:35 am
Posts: 1418
Location: Gulfport, MS, USA
Yeah...if you're not in Julliard by the time you're potty-trained, you're screwed. :lol:

_________________
"Z Czernym poznałem się na panie brat—na dwa fortepiana często z nim u niego grywałem. Dobry człowiek, ale nic więcej..." - Fryderyk Chopin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:03 pm
Posts: 2388
Location: Obamanation, unfortunately...
I meant 18 but stupid automatic typing confused the 8 and the ")" right next to it for a 8) face. :twisted:

_________________
Madam, what makes you think that I play with my hands?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:09 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:45 am
Posts: 9581
Location: Netherlands
Yah I know what you meant, and you got defeated by our incredibly clever software...
But I can never resist an opportunity to take the piss :lol:

_________________
Nothing is always absolutely so -- Sturgeon's law
Chris Breemer


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how not to be frighten onstage
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:16 pm 
Stephen Farrugia wrote:
hello everybody

can you tell me how can i not be frightened on stage in a performance but be relax?



I'll consider the idea of playing on a stage only if I have 1-2 years to practise 4-5 hours a day.
To play surely and with a few compromises 70-90 minutes of music (much better if without score,
one is much more free so) is IMHO a serious question. I agree at 100% with Robert: if one is not able to play perfectly and surely a recital at his home, for at least 3 times, it's not the case.
I have from 1 to 2 hours X day to study: hypotesis 1-I study for 2 years only the same 5-6 pieces and I'll play them on a stage, hypotesis 2 I study and record (I'm able to play the pieces from thebegin to the end for a few days, and after I begin to play other music and the "old" pieces loses his surely) about all the pieces I will.
As amateur I find this 2nd hypotesis much more interesting and enjoying, and It permit to show
the artistic side (if there is) of my playing. I play at a very modest level, but I would have the desire to public playing only : 1) with my piano or on a piano I know very well and I like
2) with the possibility to play for al least 1/2 hour before the beginning of the concert
3) having many possibilities to play with these conditions (one train himself to face his stress,
and this training has no sense for 2-3 occasions). And I repeat, the fundamental condition
is: to play surely many consecutive times the recital program=many hours of study for many
months+big motivation.
In these days, as when I was a boy, I play in public occasions (1 or 1000 listener, there is no
difference) about as when I play for myself. The anxiety in my case has a weight, but not so heavy to destroy a piece well and surely known (and not magic to make sure the passages so-and-so).
I remember situations when I played well the pieces I knew well, and other situations
where I played so-and-so or worse the pieces I knew so-and-so or worse.
For who will or must to play in public situations, a suggestion of Andor Foldes: To know exaggerately
well the first page and the first difficult passage of each piece. To play these passagges possibly
with closed eyes.

All best,
Sandro

(pianist-recorder, not in the sense of the flute)


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:50 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:29 am
Posts: 191
Location: Bloomington, IN
Well, I've done it, and I think it went well. I say "think" because sometime before I went on stage, all the expected nervousness evaporated and was replaced with a strange, semi-lucid mental state. In the green room I began to feel almost like taking a nap when I was called out. I sat down and my thought process went like so: "Oh, here's a piano. Neat. Big one, too. I know something I can play. Here you go." I know it felt good under the hands, with a few small mistakes of course, but I have no idea how it sounded and won't know until they send me the video. :-)

I don't really need to perform again for a while, but if that's what performing can often feel like, I can see why people become performers. I enjoyed it very much.

Thank you all again for your suggestions on how to prepare. Every last one of them helped.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:47 pm 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:27 pm
Posts: 1842
Location: Sweden
Congratulations! It sounds like you were able to perform well under pressure and that is a very valuable quality. I hope you are equally satisfied when the video arrives.

_________________
Pianist profile of Robert


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:29 am
Posts: 191
Location: Bloomington, IN
Bah! My performance was recorded onto a dud DVD (all the other DVDs from that day are fine). I've contacted the audio engineer to see if at least some audio is available.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:08 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:20 pm
Posts: 18
Location: North Carolina, USA
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this in this long thread, but if I concentrate on the music and communicating the music to others, then the music is not about myself, but about the music, and my nervousness dwindles. Of course, there is excitement, but that can be helpful in doing one's best for the music. So I guess what I mean here is that if I don't focus on what others think of me and my playing, but on the music itself and my desire to express it, then whatever nervousness remains can be applied to the intensity of expressing the music.
I used to play a lot at an assisted living where the folks didn't care about a few mistakes. They were just so delighted to have live music that they were listening intently to whatever I could express through it. Also, it helps to have the notes in front of me instead of relying on my memory. Of course, I could intend to play from memory but the music was there in case I forgot or got distracted.
Mozartiana


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how not to be frighten onstage
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:59 pm 
Stephen Farrugia wrote:
hello everybody

can you tell me how can i not be frightened on stage in a performance but be relax?


Maybe you should read this book once :?: :
The Inner Game of Music by Barry Green and W. Timothy Gallwey


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:45 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:27 pm
Posts: 194
Quote:
Maybe you should read this book once :
The Inner Game of Music by Barry Green and W. Timothy Gallwey


This book is one of the best I have ever read. Within one day of reading a few chapters
it had actually helped me tackle my AADD when playing, seriously helped to quiet all the
distractions in my head when trying to concentrate on music. It is also a very easy read.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:10 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:12 pm
Posts: 13
The more fear you successfully overcome the more exhilarating your performance will be. You will never eliminate fear before a performance and you shouldn't. Instead, talk to yourself beforehand and build up your confidence/passion/willpower/intensity until it outweighs the fear you feel.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:33 pm 
ben wrote:
You will never eliminate fear before a performance and you shouldn't.


:?: I have never really been frightened on stage. Actually I feel more frightened without the stage and especially if there is just one person listening and if this person knows a lot about music. I know you will think that's really weird, but it's true... So I'm weird. :P

ben wrote:
Instead, talk to yourself beforehand and build up your confidence/passion/willpower/intensity until it outweighs the fear you feel.


:wink: Just concentrate, hear the beautiful music you will play... I you start playing after that, you won't even see the audience, it's just you and your music...


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:21 am 
Eating bananas?? haha. :D

hi, people. im new here =D


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:37 am 
Offline
Site Admin

Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:45 am
Posts: 9581
Location: Netherlands
abimopectore wrote:
:?: I have never really been frightened on stage. Actually I feel more frightened without the stage and especially if there is just one person listening and if this person knows a lot about music. I know you will think that's really weird, but it's true... So I'm weird. :P

Not sure if you're weird, but you've got a point there. If you play for multiple persons, they are likely to applaud even if you made mistakes. If you play for one, (s)he's likely to tell you what you did wrong or could have done better :wink:

_________________
Nothing is always absolutely so -- Sturgeon's law
Chris Breemer


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:36 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:34 pm
Posts: 1278
I get afraid about three months before a recital (right about now). I'm performing Beethoven Sonatas 12, 13 and 14 in May and I'm petrified. (Because #12 and #13 are a mess and I can't see the way out of it.)

I'll get over it.

I guess I'm in the habit of being genuinely frightened far in advance (not in the "my house is on fire" sort of way but in the "oh my God, we're moving to another country next month" kind of way) so that by the time a recital comes around, I'm just too damned tired to care.

Oh my achin' back!
:lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:13 pm 
Ever notice how children playing don't seem to be phased by the audience? They are just doing it without any expectation weighing on them, even when a mistake is made, they back up a bar and repeat and keep going.

As adults, we feel that world is watching and judging, and by now we should be perfect, and if not, we have wasted ours and everyones time all these years. When we practice, we play invincibly, and always think what if they could see me now?

Its a challenge to put yourself back into a child-like mentality and have a care-free attitude about your playing for others. You have to really reach and look at the big picture of what's going on. Your piano playing for an audience is not the beginning nor the end of the world. You have to almost pretend you are just sitting down for a practice, be loose and relaxed, make a quick wink at the audience to create the connection, and they will feel relaxed with you. Even crack a quick comment if the occassion allows. This is a big ice breaker out of an otherwise stiff and overly proper profession.

I get nervous watching ice skaters, because i KNOW they will fall on a triple loop during the program, and I wonder what are they thinking now? I've blown it? They are all laughing? No. The crowd understands, they appreciate all the work and practice, and will still applaud the effort. Just keep smiling.


Top
  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:49 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:48 pm
Posts: 15
Location: Minnesota, United States
A few points I keep in mind for performances:

1. Expect to make a mistake - and forgive yourself for it! If you're thinking about the past mistake, you're going to make more!

2. The more you do it......

3. BREATH! Oxygen in your body can help control finger trembles and shakiness. Do a few stretches and deep breaths before going on.

4. In practicing - I try to be as much in my 'performance mindset' as possible; in performing - I try to be as much in my 'practice mindset' as possible! (In other words I try to play the same every time, rather practicing or performing!)

5. FOCUS on transmitting the beauty of the music to the audience - not presenting yourself.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 40 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 1 hour


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group